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  1. lousyfool
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  3. Tuesday, 13 June 2017
Hi there,
Here is another candidate for Gold. ;)

Docs locked away and RSVP demo kinda "rudimentary" (no backend access?), I've been trying to study what's there and searched the forum for some keywords. Here my Q's left open so far. Your briefest replies will be highly appreciated.

FYI, I'm on a project for a client selling tours each over multiple days, from/to/across multiple locations (a tour = an event).

1. Event "ownership":
I see that JEvents allows individual ownership with all the perks and consequences. However, in this case it's not needed, not even wanted: it'll be only Admins with a certain minimum Joomla access level entering/maintaining events in the system, though it will be multiple users. An event must then not be "owned" by just one, but accessible etc by all these admins, system email for all comm, etc. Possible?

2. Event categories:
A. Are nested/sub categories possible?
B. Can one event be assigned to multiple categories?

3. Locations:
A. A tour (event) can cover multiple locations. So, can multiple locations be assigned to an event?
B. Then, when coming from a location listing and displaying details of a location, upcoming events with this location assigned are shown? (Seems so... just double-checking...)

4. Pricing / "Room Types" / Capacity:
There will be 4 different room types (like Superior Double, Standard Twin, etc), each type having a different capacity and price, where both capacity and price is per person (with 2 persons = "spaces" per room).
Actually, the tour (event) price will only depend on the guests' choice of room type. No problem from what I saw. But:

A. I need to be able to enter a max capacity (number of "spaces" ) per room type. And display the actual number of "spaces" remaining capacity: in event listings "total" (= sum of all remaining spaces per event), in event detail page "groups of types" (e.g. = sum of remaining spaces in Superior rooms, and sum of remaining spaces in Standard rooms), or instead but latest in the booking form "per room type" (e.g. = sum of remaining spaces in Superior Double, ditto for Superior Twins, etc).
If it sounds confusing here, sorry... then maybe think of the equivalent of max capacity and remaining seats in 4 different areas of the event venue.
It may take some very simple PHP/HTML trickery in the individual views which I'd be well able to do, but is it generally possible to enter and maintain the capacities ("spaces" ) per room type?

B. You saw it coming: there must be an option for "single occupancy" (as opposed to default "sharing" ). Means, indeed, a single guest being able to book an entire room (= 2 spaces) for himself alone, resulting in (#1) effectively two spaces being taken by one guest instead of the usual one space, and (#2) the guest being charged two spaces minus x%.
The option is available ideally per guest/room type, or at least per booking.
And, of course, only for room types where remaining capacity >= 2.
In guest lists and elsewhere (like emails?) the booking is marked e.g. as either "sharing" or "single occupancy".
Again, at least part of this might require some custom PHP/JS in the view and, again, no problem. But here and now it would help if you could indicate how simple - or tricky? - it'd be to make this work.

5. Deposit:
Generally no problem, I see.
A. Can the guest be given the choice of "deposit" or "full payment"?
B. If deposit was paid, can the remainder payment be made on-line as well? (Guest logs in, finds a "pay due amount now" link or similar, and can easily make the payment from a pre-filled form...)
C. If event start date is less than X days from today, can it be made "full payment" only, no more deposit option?


6. Add'l guests:
If the person doing the booking enters additional guests and e.g. the add'l guest's email belongs to another user already existing in the system, or being added later - security concerns aside - is that utilised to any effect? Or vice versa = add'l not a registered user yet, can an invitation email be sent, or so?
If it helps, CommunityBuilder will be on the site as well, and if only due to the awful lot of user profile fields being needed for this specific case...

7. Invoice:
From what I saw it seems that for the simple act of generating and emailing an invoice an extra shopping cart system is required. True? Really?


Well, that was a lot. Sorry.
Many thanks in advance for your reply! The sooner the better, of course... ;)
tonyp
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Hello,

A nice small post for me in the evenings :p.

1. You can have multiple global admins, no problem.

2. A/B Yes, you can have multi-categories and nested categories. We use the Joomla! Category manager so it's the same.

3.
A. at present no
B. Yep thats fine

4. 0: Sounds fine with RSVP Pro and capacity / pricing list.
A: geraint is best to advise how we can do this. At present we just should event capacity overall.
B: Yes you could, have a radio button Is this a single booking? If yes minus X

5.
A: Not that I am aware, it's either a full payment or deposit. geraint can you confirm?
B: Not at present
C: Not at present, that would need a field publish date function

6. They just can't do it, the add guests it added to the current booking due to security concerns, then guest isn't added as a new booking so the email isn't taken naturally you need to add this separate. That's fine, we do integrate with CB, but did you know you can add profile fields with Joomla! 3.7 and Custom fields (New core addon).

7. Well, it depends. It's not an invoicing system. But you could send a confirmation email with a HTML laid out invoice.

Many thanks
Tony
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Thanks Tony,

A nice fast response for me in the morning! (6am-ish here)

3.
A. Can find a workaround, no prob.

4.
A. Bummer. That could be a deal breaker :( Because adding that as "workaround" is probably not a small job, especially in combo with 4 B. Hmm, let's first see what Geraint has to say.
B. That sounds nicely simple but then, again, 4 A might get in the way: one person taking 2 spaces. Price calc is one thing, but remaining spaces etc is another, especially if you don't have that sort of thing on board. Probably needless to say, but a value should also be stored separately in the database (radio button value?) and be used to display either "sharing" or "single occupancy" in guest lists, booking records, emails, invoice, etc. Geraint?

5.
A. Why, makes good sense to offer the choice, no? Geraint, more hope on you...
B. We shouldn't make it harder than necessary for people to throw their money at us, eh? :) Anyway, not a deal breaker. But definitely "nice to have". -> Wishlist!
C. ...or maybe some custom PHP. Maybe custom JS if there is the choice as mentioned under 5 A and to be confirmed by Gerard the Saviour.

6.
Thanks for the reminder but, yes, I know of the new J!3.7 magic. Then CB brings some more to the table, though profiles won't be public. Perhaps GroupJive, or just some AutoAction trickery. Never mind, none of your concerns.

7.
Nah, but it's sort of e-commerce, "selling" something, asking for $, so it can't be a surprise if users want proper bills.
HTML is better than nothing, but you know that HTML + printer = the end of control over layout and appearance...
-> Wishlist! No, Needlist, Mustlist!

Thanks again, that wasn't too bad of a start.
When's Geraint getting up? :D
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Oh, and in addition to my previous post here above:

8. Waiting list: is there such feature? Didn't see it mentioned anywhere, sorry if I've overlooked it.

Thanks again.
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4A We do offer field option capacity so you could have 2 superior double rooms and set a limit on that option being chosen of 2. In other words only 2 registrations could choose that room type. BUT you can't use the SAME field for limiting how many time a choice can be selected AND have its value count towards the capacity. UNLESS you have separate choices for each room type. To clarify you could have a single 'which sort of room do you want?' question with limits on each of the choices but you would need a separate field to count how many guests.

You could work around this using separate questions e.g. 'Do you want a superior double room?' - in which case you could achieve both goals.

To do the summary output of how many of each type is left (without looking at the registration form) would need some custom coding.

4B. single occupancy may be doable via a checkbox with a surcharge.

5A/B. When using the deposit field the attendee will be shown the outstanding balance and be offered the opportunity to pay it online at any time.
5 C - we can probably add this functionality without too much difficulty

7. You could use the Ticketing system as a proxy for an invoice - tickets can be attached at PDFs to the payment confirmation
email

8.Yes there is a waiting list functionality built in - but it wouldn't be based on room choices, simply on overall capacity.

I would suggest your best next step is to join the club and try out RSVP Pro - if it doesn't do what you need we may be able to make modifications, if that doesn't work then you can ask for a refund.
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Gents,

Many thanks for your responses, and apologies for not responding sooner, had to look after some other things in the meantime.

Now, after reviewing all pros and cons, I'm sorry to say that with the requirements of my current project I fear I need to stick with what I'm using now... as awkward as it is in other aspects.

However, I appreciate your support, and will happily consider JEvents next time a similar job comes up.

Thanks again, and keep up the good work!
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